As we all know, students love to talk. They can find just
about anything to talk about to distract themselves from the ‘boring school assignments.’
But when it comes to class or group discussions, it’s like pulling teeth to get
them to talk on topic! Thank goodness for those rare students who like to talk
AND are focused enough to respond on topic. How do I get every student to
answer my discussion questions without having to make everyone write down their
answers to the questions?
When my
students and I were reading “Harrison Bergeron” the last couple weeks, we would
have a little review session each day about what we read the day before. My
struggle at the beginning was getting the students to actually take the 30
seconds I gave them to look over the last section to be able to have a small
review discussion. I finally figured out that if I put review questions on the
board and told them that at the end of their review, they should be able to
answer these questions. And then I would use my phone app to pick random
students to answer the questions on the board. By doing this, the students were
able to remember the important main points of the last section so they can move
onto the next section with better understanding. This was also a perfect time
for students to ask questions if they were confused about the last question.
Another
aspect of discussion that I have been working on is getting the students to
participate in discussing the section they just read by themselves. Harrison
Bergeron has many conflicting points that the students like to debate about.
According to Bomer, focusing on these differences are a great way to facilitate
a discussion that more students are willing to participate in (139). His
technique of using the differences of a subject to facilitate a discussion is
using the very common fact that when students asked to answer ‘yes’ or ‘no’,
they usually agree with the majority of the class. Bomer suggests playing the
devil’s advocate and asking them to consider another, less popular point of
view. This worked well for me during our class discussions.
One specific time this worked well
for me was when I asked them if George going to jail for two years and paying
$2000 for messing with his handicap was appropriate consequences. Most of all
three of my classes said no because they were unfair consequences. I asked the
class to consider the government’s point of view; ‘Why would the government
actually give him those consequences?’. With that, they agreed that George did
break the law and everyone who breaks the law has to face the consequences.
One important aspect of the
teaching great discussion techniques Bomer talks about is “eliminating the
evaluation part of the initiation-response-evaluation talk pattern” (138). This
is a part that I need to work on; I struggle with getting across to the
students who refuse to participate that it is a requirement. I feel like the
only way I can guarantee that everyone will participate enough for me to
evaluate them all is to have them all write their answers down THEN to have
them get up and share with a partner to get that discussion aspect in the
activity. What I have seen work well with my MT is to not necessarily threatening
per-se, but giving them the opportunity to choose what they do in class. She
likes to do little class discussions and tells them that they choose what they
are going to do: either everyone participates and shares their two bits or she
will stop the discussion and make everyone write down their responses. This usually
works in motivating everyone to participate. When I go to try this technique,
what I have to work on is holding them to my expectations; if the discussion
really is not going well, then I need to stop and have them write. Hopefully,
in doing this the future discussions can and will get better over time.
Miss Rodriguez,
ReplyDeleteI think your post on discussion techniques was very effective. I recently tried the fishbowl discussion in my own classroom and I think this would work well with middle schools. Once you get them started and they get the hang of it, they really get into it! You can put a fishbowl in the center of the room and do the part where you leave an empty chair for a student to join whenever they feel comfortable.
I think it would be important to emphasize that every student should join at one point or another so that every student has participated in the conversation. I think they would do better at remembering the main ideas that you want them to take away from the lesson that day.
My other suggestion would be letting students know of the discussion questions that you intend to ask in advance of the discussion and maybe even letting the students that you do not normally call on know that you will be calling on them for tomorrow's discussion and here are the questions you might want to look at it in order to be prepared. I think that would eliminate any anxiety of being called on for the student and would result in better discussion.
You have some great ideas here! Keep it Up!
-Mr. Naylor
Thank you Mr. Naylor for these great suggestions! I will definitely try these in my classroom!
DeleteMegan,
ReplyDeleteI too struggle with facilitating discussion. From my seniors to my sophomores, it is -as you say- "like pulling teeth". By the way: YAY for Harrison Bergeron!!!
One thing that really works well for my sophomores is establishing roles - even for a small group. Make sure that each student HAS TO contribute something, it all relates back to accountability. While it may seem tedious, especially to them, they'll get more out of it if they have to produce something you're going to grade. In our literature circles we require them to do a group discussion but each student has a role in the group and they use interactive notebooks to record the information. They then have to share with their group members and summarize the group conversation into their interactive notebooks. We separate this all out into "sessions" but I think that this could be easily modified for a short story. You give one member from each table something like "discussion leader" which requires them to come up with questions, another student could be a "bridge builder" that is required to make outside connections, etc. Then once they've had a chance to discuss it with their groups, it may be a little easier to have a whole class discussion.
I'm glad that you found you were able to get more out when you posted the questions on the board. This is something I have to do with my sophomores. We even go over it before they read.
My seniors are in AP literature so I am trying to structure that more like a college class but it has taken some scaffolding for sure. Last week I had them move their desks to face each other so that the conversation would be more open and then I told them that they should talk to each other- not me. I would pose a question and then back away... or answer with "Why?". It is definitely taking some time to get used to both for my seniors and for me.
I'm so glad you're looking into ways to have better discussions in your classroom. Please continue to update us on how its going. Keep up the good work Megan. I know you're doing great!
-Holli
Thank you for sharing the techniques you have found to work in your classroom! And I am glad you are having so much success with your awesome sophomores in having great discussions! I wish I was still there to see them working so well!
DeleteMs. Rodriguez,
ReplyDeleteAh the joy of discussion at the middle school level. I think one thing we need to keep in mind is that at this age, we probably need to teach our students how to have discussion. Give them time to digest the question and draft their answers (or at least notes on an answer) before starting the actual discussion. Or like Holli suggested - give them roles in their groups initially so they understand the ways in which everyone can contribute.
One thing I do, is when a student tries to give a low level answer, I prompt them to go deeper by asking "why." If they can't, I'll ask the class if someone can help them out and most of the time, another student will jump in with some thoughts.
We also use a lot of graphic organizers while we read. I find that these artifacts can really help students dig into a text more deeply and means they can look at a distilled version of the text to get ready to answer discussion questions. Even a simple T-chart might be worth a try.
Just know you are not alone in trying to get middle schoolers to talk less about who is doing what on the weekend and be more engaged in classroom discussion on reading! Keep trying new things and you're sure to find the mix that works for your students.
Thank you for sharing!
--Mrs. Tolbert
Thank you for your suggestions! I will try them out!
DeleteMs. Rodriguez,
ReplyDeleteYou offered a lot of food for thought with this blog post. Your comment about not wanting to threaten students resonated with me. It's frustrating as English teachers when students act as if class discussion is some sort of punishment, when for us, class discussion was one of our favorite things about English. I really appreciated you sharing your struggles with using evaluation as enticement for students to participate because I think that is something we all face. For some reasons students are bashful when it comes to sharing their opinions, and while it stinks that we have use techniques to persuade our students to share out, I do like the idea of letting them know that class discussion is a privilege and it can be replaced with a much more boring method of review.
I was also very impressed with your ability to take what we read in the Bomer text and then implement it within your classroom. It appears that the strategy of playing the devil's advocate was a success which is great! It's always exciting when we can figure out little ways to increase student engagement and involvement, or to force our students to think outside of their comfort zone.
Thank you for always being so reflective! I hope to emulate your ability to foster more class discussion as this semester goes on!
Keep it up :)
Michaela
Thank you for your compliments and your feedback! I can't wait to hear how future discussions go in your classroom!
DeleteWhat a thought-provoking post, Ms. Rodriguez; it sparked lots of productive discussion. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteOne point of clarification regarding the I-R-E "discussion." When we talk about evaluation in this context, we're not talking about assessing/evaluating students' participation. Instead, we're talking about teachers' tendency to evaluate students' responses during the discussion. For example:
Initiation -- Teacher: What do you think about ...?
Response ---- Student A: I think ...
Evaluation -- Teacher: Great point!
See how the teacher is evaluating the student response there? This is something I need to work on myself. Instead of evaluating the response, the teacher might to any of the following ...
* ask why (as several of your classmates have written about)
* summarize/paraphrase
* stay quiet (or just "shut up" as Mary advised in her post)
* thank the student for the contribution
I'm sure you can think of other ideas too. :-)
Thank you for your input!
DeleteI'm glad you are finding ways to get students involved in discussions. I would caution you, however, to be careful on the discuss or write option. You certainly don't want your students to see writing as a punishment. I definitely like how you are exploring different options to see what best helps your students to participate and to learn.
ReplyDeleteThank you!
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